Nope in my opinion I think that so far it seems like hes now a terrible ret-con into the story especially with having to be the ani-thrall.
hes bringing sexy back?
Nope in my opinion I think that so far it seems like hes now a terrible ret-con into the story especially with having to be the ani-thrall.First off: You complain about a king who had been kidnapped being retconned, yet an interdimensional spaceship carrying benevolent eredar crashing onto an island and befriending the Alliance doesn't surprise you?I'm not a huge fan of King Varian, either; he is extremely hot-headed and irrational, like Garrosh Hellscream. If he starts a war with Thrall and the rest of the Horde, I'm moving to Theramore to stay with Miss Jaina.
Not making excuses for blizzard but I think they right a lot of lore there not going to get it spot on every time. They probably need to have a bit more of a think about this one.
I agree with you, GGG. It seems like Blizz just kind of.... forced him into the lore.
Well, there was a need to remove certain attunement quests, because quite honestly nobody did them. Molten Core, Onyxia, Blackwing Lair- I'm looking at you. In TBC, all people really cared about was PVPing for their welfare epix so they could either get better welfare epix or start raiding and doing heroics for some real gear. The same attitude is why Blizz had to reduce TBC heroic keys to only requiring Honored rep, and had to make the Trials of the Naaru optional.So in that sense, having Varian Wrynn come thru and kick butt is a hell of a lot better than the lack of explanation for why anybody can suddenly get into Kara, SSC, or Tempest Keep now. Or how all post-Sunwell raids don't have any attunement at all.I do agree with Wrynn being a nazi-esque jerkwad (and a horrible tank, if you've ever done the alliance version of the UC fight). The WOW owner's manual says the humans are arrogant, intolerant, and generally distrust the other races. But instead, even my draenei shaman hears "Light bless you" from most humans. Despite the fact that she's a SHAMAN, and the humans practically ejected the shaman trainer from stormwind?She's on an island in the moat, of all places. Doesn't she know that the toilets drain into the moat? Or was that why she was dumped there in the first place?So yeah. I 100% agree with Blizz' treatment of Wrynn. All they gotta do now is add a line where his son says "Daddy came back... and I think Onyxia was nicer than he is..."
I honestly wouldn't mind the Draenei's story at all if it weren't for the Exodar. The whole "spaceship" thing is just too much of a shift from WoW's core dungeon's and dragon's fantasy theme. But that's another topic for another time.I WANT to like Varian. I really do. He seems like something of a badass and it'd be cool to get behind him and thrown stones and old tin cans at the horde, but I have to agree that the whole story seems forced. I like how they tied in the comics with the game, but I think if they really wanted to smoothly transition him into the game, they should have focused more on his disappearance when he was gone, and they should've added a few "Go kill some orcs cuz they suck" quests for him to have given out once he's returned. He just didn't seem to be that big of a deal when he showed back up, but now they're basically shoving him down our throats, screaming "LIKE HIM! HE'S A KING, LIKE HIM!"But I find it hard to not think the idea of him is awesome when I saw him heroic leap and consequently one shot an abomination during the Scourge Invasion in SW harbor.
I think the Draenei would have fit in better if they were a VERY old race that had been forgotten and they have dug there city up from the under ground. But I agree when I left wow for a few months and I came back and Varian was the king, I thought he didn't fit in at all. The should have used a dynamic model for the child king so we would see him grow up and into a great leader.
I have the comics for Varian from issues 1-12, and I have to say that I like the comics and how the lore is built in the comics. The problem lies with the fact that they merged the comic and the game together in my opinion. The story in the comics is told from Varian's Ghost Wolf half, and that persona does overtake his calm half after they merge, and this retconning was necessary.If there were no morons in the story and all the leaders of the factions were lovable, the PvP would have to die off according to lore, in fact, I'm not even certain how PvP managed to survive in terms of lore in tBC and especially 2.4.Yes, he was retconned, and somewhat badly written, but I think it fits in nicely overall when looking at the big picture.To answer some of the questions you've mentioned in the topic, in the comics, if I recall correctly, he was being transported by the defias on the ships to be killed off when the ship was attacked by Naga, when the ship was destroyed. He was found among the shipwreck by a crocolisk, but he is a decent enough martial artist that he defended himself from a couple blows and used the weight of the crocolisk to impale it on a stick when it jumped on him not to mention he had assistance from an orc shaman, a bit more feasible if you read the comic.He is named croc-bait by the shaman who found him, Lo'Gosh is a title given to him by the masses when he defeated ogres in the final rounds in the Dire Maul Arena. The reason for the title reflects what you've quoted, the quote from the spectators being "Lo'Gosh, he lives." As in the audience believe that the spirit of the Lo'Gosh lived on through Varian.Relying on Wowwiki isn't always the ideal solution.Also, Garrosh's action in the Uldar trailer is nearly completely unprovoked for that scene alone.
Varian is a terrible Gary Stu shoehorned in with a rusty crowbar and my only hope for 3.2 is that something awful happens to him and he becomes a raid boss so that I can kill him every single week.
He is a raid boss on a 6 hr respawn timer.
Technically, Magnusson was in the first Half-Life, when you destroyed his microwave casserole right at the start. Although he did just look like another scientist then. But meh.
Some Spoilers, but they are required in order to give a fair perspective for VarianAlthough Varian is most assuredly forced and a retcon, reading the comic will give you a better perspective of him, but not just the comic but also the new Arthas novel. In almost every situation Varian is willing to see middle ground and negotiate, he travels across the sea to meet with Thrall and attempt to get some talks going between the races and even after all his ordeals he still decides to reschedule his talks with Thrall when any other leader would want to leave that for the future and take care of themselves first. When he went to meet Thrall for this second time he was willing to make compromises and seek a peace between the races and at this time he is attacked by an orc assassin in a way that is deliberately made to look like the Horde set it up. Just like how his father was assassinated by the same orc after befriending her and allowing her safety within stormwind, Varian had to watch his fathers death at her hands as a child no less.Follow this up with the Wrath Gate (which wasn't the hordes fault), and the Broken Front (which was) and it should be clear that his aggression is rational and called for, in fact in many situations Varian could be said to be too optimistic by even considering the peace talks both times. He even has great respect and friendship with the orc who was once his slave master.
Varian is simply bad designed as he is in game. They achieved the feat of making me, and I'm sure most Alliance players too, hate and spit on one of their leaders.I didn't know anything about what Valkrysa posted, and I thank him. Now I can perceive better my leader, and I wish there were more details like this in game. (But I still want Bolvar back)
He's the "hero" all kiddies are gonna love.Blood Elves kinda kill the ugly tribal atmosphere of the Horde, but without them the Alliance would beat the Horde population-wise in every single realm by a ratio of 3:1My point is, "Money moves the world (of warcraft)"
Kiddies loving Wrynn? Show me one.
Could Wrynn have been introduced more smoothly into the story, sans ham-fisted retcons and whatnot? Probably, yeah.Is he needed? YEAH, most definitely. This game's called World of WARcraft, my ladies and gentlemen. And there's been a suspicious lack of WAR for the last half-decade or so - not counting the constant ganking that goes on on PvP servers, or attacks on NPCs in various towns, settlements and whatnot.The STORY of WoW has not really had any war in it whatsoever, it has in fact been a stalemate, or even official cease-fire between the two sides. Varian was therefore needed to shake things up. And Garrosh is a magnificient counterpiece on the Horde side. I was really surprised to see how he'd changed in the fight he had with Thrall in the pre-Lich King undead assault. It was a startling change from the sulking, whiny prat he was in Garadar, and now he's growing even more insubordinate in the Ulduar introduction. By the next expansion at the latest I expect him to try and oust Thrall outright, and seize control of the horde for himself.It's going to be really, really interesting to see what Blizzard will do, lore-wise, from now on. I love it how Varian and Garrosh has shaken things up so far, I was becoming quite burnt out on WoW. The latest Ulduar developments has slightly re-kindled my interest. :) Now, if only Blizzard could move the plot along on a more steady basis than a few times every couple years... :(
/hates Varian.God Almighty. Please, let someone oneshot Varian's ass in a completely casual encounter. Not Garrosh charging him. Not Thrall blasting him with lightning.Let Arthas oneshot him, much like an afterthought. Like, he's talking and Varian charges him and then Arthas cuts his head off, then goes back to talking.And everyone will clap.
Varian is almost as bad as Fandral Staghelm, except that he's driven by a devotion to his people (and the rest of the Alliance) rather than a lust for power. A perfect old-school Alliance leader along the lines of Daelin Proudmoore to shake some essential conflict into the story! (And I play Alliance too) I'd actually defend Varian though, if Hordies go for Staghelm, I'd cheer them on. <_<Yes, his lore history is decidedly shaky and forced. So is a lot of Warcraft lore; Bridenbrad's tale for one. Granted, that was more about Tiron's honor than Bridenbrad's tale, but we had never previously heard about this "great and valorous" crusader. So while Varian is kinda forced in, I'm glad he's here. Also, he seems more like the anti-Garrosh than the anti-Thrall.
I agree with you that Varian was sort of shoe-horned into the story line but I think that means that he's going to be a major part of the storyline. Here's my guess as to what's going to happen to Varian:Varian and Garosh will eventually combine to become the new lich king after Arthas is downed. They're so full of hate and bitterness; it makes sense to me.