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[MACRO] slam + hs ?
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I assume you want that for Fury TG.
Try:
#showtooltip Slam
/cast Slam
/stopcasting
/cast heroic strike
It should work correctly. It may sometimes get stuck due to latency issues.
As for arms, you never should be using heroic strike.
Yours doesnt work due to fact you cannot macro two abilities one of which does GCD just by /cast /cast.
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Thanks much appreciated but this doesn't work either. I'm trying to use it as arms (leveling spec) whenever i have a full rage bar and everything else is on cooldown.
Slam pauses your swing timer so unless you get more than 15 rage in 0.5 second and another 15 rage within 2 seconds from just incoming damage, Slam is everything you need. No need to add Hs there.
Actually HS doesn't trigger the GCD because it's a "next melee" attack :-|
Do you understand the statement "one of which"? It means either, or.
/cast Slam
/cast Heroic Strike
would work if slam was instant (it works like that with my tanking skills), since it has a cast time, it wont.
i guess it should be
/cast !slam
/cast heroic strike
instead. It works for my steadyshot macro (though i have it more complicated with /castsequence slam , !slam - but i am spamming it), but i guess this should work pretty much the same.
I dunno whether it can be possible to do that without spammable macro.
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/cast !Heroic Strike, Slam
Haven't tried it out, but it should activate Heroic Strike on the first click. On the second click, since Heroic Strike is activated on next swing it should go straight to your Slam. And it should be spammable too since it won't touch Heroic Strike if it's activated.
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This wont do anything unless its /castsequence command.
And it will still attempt to cast heroic strike therefore getting stuck even though its already highlighted. At least thats what i think, havent tested that with heroic strike (did sth similar with different abilities).
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Why does everyone say you shouldn't be using Heroic Strike as arms?
Ever since i used it as a rage dump my dps has shot up.
It takes away the white hit rage, even without Endless rage its far too much for the damage it deals (which is equal to normal weapon swing + 495). So basically what you do gain is 495 damage bonus multiplied by any % bonuses you get from talents.
Basically for Arms the HS is the biggest Rage cost from any other warrior specs.
Fury doesnt have Focused Rage and has the off-hand weapon to build up Rage, while heroic striking, also doesnt have anything as effective as Improve Slam plus actually benefits a lot from heroic striking due to negating DW hit handicap because of turning a white hit into yellow hit.
Prot uses fast weapons therefore the actual cost is lowered a lot. Also they have Incite and no better skill to dump rage single target.
If you started using HS and your dps is higher it means you obviously havent been using Slam properly, and still arent.
Comparison:
HS rage cost = 15 + white swing damage (30ish+ at non crit). damage is white swing + 500, if you havent done hs, white swing would land anyway because your yellows have exact same hit rate as whites, so the actual gain is 500 unmitigated damage per for 45 rage minimum, which is 11 damage per rage.
Slam rage cost is 15. It doesnt take your white swing away, just pauses it for Slam cast time. Basic cast time is 0.5 without any haste. Typical Arms weapon swing timer is 3.3+. You obviously can see that the actual cost is only 15% of your white swing due to pause. I am not counting haste because it will benefit both white hits and slam cast timer therefore dropping out of the equation anyway. Considering you still do 30ish rage per white swing the actual cost of Slam is 19.55 Rage. Slam does non normalised weapon damage (including ap bonus) + 250, for the cost of 19.55 rage.
Heroic strike for the same rage does 217 damage.
Exact difference between Improved Slam and Heroic strike in terms of damage per rage is your white hit damage + 23.
Thats in terms of rage. In terms of dps it will be a bit different due to having to add the actual pause to your white hit the Slam imposes. Just multiply the above difference with 0.85 haste. SO Slam is better than Heroic Strike in terms of dps by (white swing damage+23)*0.85
I hope that convinces you you shouldnt ever use heroic strike as arms. Spam slam instead in between your cooldowns.
The only situation where using HS is proper is when you have 100 rage and it keeps coming, while all your skills are ready, but that would obviously mean you fail at arms. Ideal way to achieve that situation is to engage the boss which does a lot of aoe (therefore gives you rage even without weapon swings) and go afk.
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