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Post by
Ashkb
Ok I have a question. Im not a noob and I know to kill the enemy heals first, but picture this im in a bg. The enemy team has our flag and we have there's. We go to attack the enemy fc but he has 1+ heals on him. So we focus on heals, but the heals is so over geared we are getting now where. (you know like those damb kiting low level twink druids). He can keep his mana up and still heal his allys so we cant get a kill off. So what should we do? Should we split dps or just switch targets all together? Or just give up because twinks cheat? TY for any of you that try too help.
PS: if this turns into a hot debated topic you can argue which strategy is best and what situations to use the diffident strategies.
Post by
Jaspirac
CC and silence the healer while dps burns efc. Works when I farm efc/healers on my DK and gets me every time on my over geared resto Druid. You should be able to mess the healer enough to get them healing themselves, meanwhile that fc is on their own.
Post by
Azue
Yeah, the best way would be just to CC the healer, while the others (the people not cc'ing) will go and burst down the efc, as fast as you can. So you're able keep the healer in place, without being able to do anything.
Post by
Zakkhar
Best way is to burn efc while controling the healers (anything that makes them not heal the efc - peel them to force them to kite and heal themseves, cc, knockback, silence/kick) especially since efc will take additional damage and will have lowered mobility.
Also killing efc while immobilised (stunned) in middle of
Smoke Bomb
works very well.
Post by
Tihrel
Well, for us to be accurate in our advice, we would need the bracket you play in, since you do mention it's lowbie BGs and you fought this "twink" druid healer (Probably not a twink, just heirlooms. Also, kiting is not cheating, it's what healers do to survive). It seems to me that you made this post just to whine about one situation where a better geared+skilled player made a fool out of you, but here's what I can offer up:
A) If a healer is proving too hard to kill, pull out of the fight, figure out who can CC and through what sort they have so you can avoid diminishing returns as you burn the kill target.
B) Switch targets constantly as he HoTs up. A druid is most effective on a target if he can get HoTs stacked and keep them rolling on a target. By the time he gets a whole new set of Lifeblooms and a Rejuv on the swap, it'll be close to time for the HoTs on the previous to fade.
C) Just swamp them in dudes. Trinkets can only be used to escape every 2 minutes at the very least, 5 if he's using the hierloom one. At that level you can just dogpile 4-5 people on him, have someone throw a stun, and he'll go down. Unless of course you all really suck at doing damage, because at that level most classes can 3-4 shot a target if allowed to freecast.
D) Purge purge purge. Have someone in the group dedicated to remove his HoTs as he throws them up, that will reduce his ability to heal while running around, forcing him to either hardcast a spell or die.
As stated at the start, I would need the bracket you are in or what class you play to give a really detailed way to kill him, as I do not know what abilities you have access to.
Post by
Ashkb
First let me say thank you to all that helped.
A) In low level BGs certain classes/spec only have so many cc not to mention some people just don't like to coordinate efforts.
B) That is a good idea but mainly only with druids and disc priests
C) Yes trinkets only work every 2 min but as I said in A we only have so many stuns/CCs and if they are twinks or have BoAs we cant 3-4 shot them if we don't have any.
D) This is a good idea as I do play a low level shamy but only 3 classes (that I can remember) have a type of spamable Purge. Plus I find it have to do good dps and spam purge on a druid all day
I play in mostly all the brackets as I pvp wile leveling (level 27-29 37-39 ex.) the only one I don't really play in is 10-19. I play mostly every class (excluding those damb priests I cant play). At max level things like this don't really happen much because its hard to get as over-geared at that level plus we have many tools at our disposal. I play on the Vindication battle group if anyone needs to know that.
I many not be the best player in the world but I am no noob, yes some people are more skilled than me but I'm not "wining" about skill, I'm asking for strategies on how to fight over geared healers.
ps: I never said kiting was cheating, I said twinking is like cheating. kiting is skill.
Cheating:(v.) Act dishonestly or
unfairly
in order to gain an advantage
I say twinking is
unfair
as not every one has the time or max level character to twink
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Post by
Locruid
This happened to me today. I was the only healer in the 70-74 bracket.
They all came after me. Priests would dispel my Lifebloom and rogues were stunning me and fears flying everywhere but they didn't get anywhere. Once they DID get me to 5% but I came out of the Stun and hit Swiftmend then reapplied my Hots. I also kept the FC alive and the one DPS with me. They had about 6-7 on me.
We lasted about 4 minutes (I was actually starting to run out of power) when thier FC died and we capped. I have all the 70 pvp gear enchanted and gemmed (stam/resilience). I had incarnation available but didnt have to use it.
Now if they woulda feared me under a non DR full fear with my trinket down THEN IMMEDIATELY turn on the FC they probably woulda had it while I ran around in fear. But alas, randoms usually don't have that kind of coordination.
Post by
lonewolfe31705
ps: I never said kiting was cheating, I said twinking is like cheating. kiting is skill.
Cheating:(v.) Act dishonestly or
unfairly
in order to gain an advantage
I say twinking is
unfair
as not every one has the time or max level character to twink
So because you don't have the time to go farm gear for your lower level characters it is cheating? Does that mean people who run Rated Battlegrounds, Arena, and random battle grounds are cheating because they have the top tier PVP gear before everyone else? Or that the guilds who can dedicate more than 2-3 nights a week to raiding are cheating because they have more time to work on progression bosses?
Also, you do realize that if someone is a true twink, they have their experience locked which puts them into a seperate bracket than those who are unlocked? Most likely, what you ran into is a player who was wearing BoA leveling gear.
Stop crying, admit to yourself that you were outplayed and move on. Next time you are in a situation like that, learn to use your words in the BG chat and instruct people what to do.
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