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Post by
GeorgeBob
I know, this forum has no relation to the official blizzard forum. That is great actually, because the guy I'm going to talk about here has been harassing people on those forums too.
There is a warrior on my server, who literally sits in trade all day (except for the few hours he raids on the weekend) and berates people and says the craziest, racist, immoral things I have ever seen. I have purposely left on my filter because I don't care to see what some of the people in trade say, but the stuff he says actually doesn't involve usual swearing.
I've reported him so many times, its unreal. And I imagine many many many more people have, as in trade, they will ask for more people to report him. He talks about a range of things. One occasion he stated that the government should euthanize disabled people, after someone stated he was seeking therapy for anxiety problems. He repeatedly uses racial slurs, and racial stereotypes.
I have had friends get banned before for making an inappropriate name(S). Yet this guy is still on every, single, day, bragging about his "leet" dps and trying to link damage meters in between his bad mouthing. He has a macro that he spams every 3 min about how he enjoys looking down on everyone else, which I also have reported as spam.
He even went as far as to stalk someone from blizzard's forum. He harassed them there, then went to WoW and made a fake toon with their name but with a special character, and then went around saying horrible things about the person, like "Hi, im ____, I am moron and I cant play my class. Please, teach me how to run my guild". I felt so bad for the person I even tried to open a ticket about it. I reported the harassment on the forums also. There was also talk that he hacked the person's guild website and wrote his name all over it.
But alas...he is still there. I am just wondering if anyone else has something like this on their server. I want to know why it is that blizzard can't seem to get rid of this person, when he so blatantly goes against the rules.
Post by
Sas148
We also had someone on our server very similar to that. It took over a year or so before he was finally banned, and then they let him return once and it took another six months after that to get banned again.
Honestly, the reason it takes so much for people to get banned is likely due to the fact that the person is bringing in money for the company. Because of this need for that subscription it would take an awful lot to get banned. Why is this okay to Blizzard? You, as a player, have every ability to "ignore" the user and use the profanity filter. They've made it even easier to ignore people now, and report them, once you do the text disappears so you don't even have to be subjected to what was said a second longer.
It is a universal truth that if everyone would just stop responding to someone like that... ignoring them immediately, just "reporting" and "ignoring" he'd eventually disappear. People that act as you describe literally FEED off the attention, the hatred, the arguing. They love that they caused it and they love fueling it.
Unfortunately, all that being said... it's not possible to get everyone on the server to ignore the person and someone will most certainly engage them regardless of what is being said or for how long.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
If it had been me, I wouldn't have seen what they were saying for more than a day or two, because they would have ended up on my ignore list. I think that most people would feel the same way. That can create issues in and of itself, when they can't find someone to craft something for them, or find anyone willing to group up with them. If everyone had him on ignore, all he's doing is sitting there talking to himself.
Post by
Izichial
If he uses racial slurs, report him specifically for racism. Blizzard are extremely paranoid about racism - everything else they've frustratingly lenient about as long as the people doing it stay very narrowly within what's not crossing Blizzard's policies for player behaviour (which as you've found out by now largely relies on "you can ignore him so we don't need to do anything").
It can also be fairly frustrating trying to get anything done about people who aren't specifically targeting you because Blizzard's policies are ironclad on the point that representatives are not allowed to discuss anything related to other players with you.
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380942
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Post by
Sas148
Wirxaw, there are always variables though. I'm not sure when your situation occurred but Blizzard used to be much more strict about language anywhere in the game. As it grew bigger they started stepping back from that. Also, it could depend entirely on that person's history. Perhaps they received a very stern last-straw warning sometime ago, on a different character or server. We just don't know the history and even what people say can't be verified. The other big variable is the Game Master who handles the issue. As much as everyone tries it's hard to not have some slight degree of bias in some situations. That GM may even have had a bad day.
Regardless, the primary reason people aren't just banned left and right for being abusive is that it would seriously eat away at their bottom line. Most people in these games, unfortunately, are very crappy to one another. It's also somewhat inherent in the game itself as we're playing a game where we turn the opposite faction into enemies.
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331902
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Post by
Azrile
sas, that is a bit paranoid. It is similar to the gold-farmer argument. Blizzard is not going to tolerate a few people who are disrupting the gameplay of many. If multiple people have reported this guy, their accounts are more important to Blizzard than this guys. Just like people being able to play with a normal economy are important. I´ve seen enough AMA on reddit to know that Blizzard takes this serious.
I do know Blizzard bans a lot of people for 3 or 7 days for stuff like this. How many second chances they give is anyone´s guess though. I thought it was funny, one of the big-mouths on my server got banned right before MOP launched and it lasted 7 days. Everyone knew what happened.. he just disappeared, and then was magically back exactly 7 days left. Missed like 4 days of MOP and all his auctions disappeared.
Post by
Sas148
Well my arguments have been regarding lifetime bans. Not temporary suspensions. Just a matter of semantics there.
However, I'm not being paranoid. Gold farmers being banned is a very different issue as those can negatively alter the game play itself with the influx of gold into the economy.
That being said... a player who is annoying and saying awful things can be ignored and reported easily without much effort on the part of the player. Further grief is ultimately self-inflicted if one chooses not to use the built in features available to them.
Post by
skumbananer
I personally dont mind Trolls so much
But Trolls should imo only Troll if they first and foremost try to be funny instead of cruel. This is an example of tolerable trolling:
"If the horse is Invisible, how come i can still defeat it?" ( a confusing variant of the classical trolling line)
Youll get a few people confused, maybe someone a bit irritated, some explanations on why you are wrong, someone calling you stupid and maybe a lol or two. Nothing more, not ok, but no serious harm done.
Thats a huge step from excessive spamming, racist slurs and harassment. Trolls who try to be funny shouldnt be put in the same bucket as Trolls who are just (insert negative word of choice).
Post by
mazhop
He even went as far as to stalk someone from blizzard's forum. He harassed them there, then went to WoW and made a fake toon with their name but with a special character, and then went around saying horrible things about the person, like "Hi, im ____, I am moron and I cant play my class. Please, teach me how to run my guild". I felt so bad for the person I even tried to open a ticket about it. I reported the harassment on the forums also. There was also talk that he hacked the person's guild website and wrote his name all over it.
One simple way is to report it as a live threat which Blizzard will take seriously. The fact the OP states he's created and followed a person around would give credence to it. You cannot ignore people who will go to extremes to harrass other people this day and age.
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331902
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Post by
darkoath
People say what they want because they are hiding behind a computer screen. These people know there are no serious ramifications to their actions, so they just do as they please for attention. One person can be bad, but when an entire guild encourages this kind of behavior... that's when things get frustrating.
My worst experience with people like this comes from such an occasion. A horde guild names "Deepwater Pirates" encouraged flaunting their elitist mentality and their trolling in trade chat. At any given time, when some tool was throwing profanity and racial slurs in trade chat, 9 out of 10 times it was one of these members. So... I decided to literally throw the entire guild on my ignore list. Even those who I didn't know or hadn't heard of before. I checked their online members frequently, and when I saw a new name, I instantly put them on ignore. I may have put good people in my ignore list, but any person who wants to associate themselves with a bunch of disrespectful wanna-be badarses deserves to be ignored.
But what I find is that people love the drama. Even if it offends them, they will still read everything this person has to say just for the shock value. And the person who is the one insulting people is doing so just to stir up trouble and get a reaction out of people. Don't give him any attention (i.e. put him on ignore), and he will eventually go away. Stop feeding the troll.
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940869
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Post by
cephadex
That actually sounds really awful. I know it's possible to /ignore players, but that doesn't mean that nothing should be done about them once reported (or that it should be as excruciatingly difficult to). That said, I just /ignore people who stir up any matter of drama on /trade, and sometimes just leave the channel if too many people are drama-mongering.
There is a warrior on my server, who
literally
sits in trade all day
People that act as you describe
literally
FEED off the attention, the hatred, the arguing.
At the risk of sounding like an annoying whiner, I think this is a word that just needs to be put out of its misery. I don't know why people feel compelled to use it when there are so many words available that would actually be right for the given context. Really sorry to sound nitpicky, but I have a pet peeve for this.
Post by
Magician22773
I, like almost everyone else, have never been able to understand Blizzard's official stance on punishment. Yes, I "know" the official "volcano" explanation, that each subsequent offence gets worse punishment, until they finally reach the top, and the "volcano" blows (banned).....but
The worst case I have witnessed was someone coming into trade, that apparently had made an appearance on the Today show. He had given out his cell phone number on YouTube, and got his 15 minutes of fame for actually answering, and talking to thousands of complete strangers. But, listening to the guy, you would have thought he was Brad Pitt. I guess a 2 minute interview on a morning news show made him "famous" in his mind.
Anyhow, he was just going completely overboard with racist and derogatory comments in trade. I mean, like intentionally making the most vile comments he could. He even posted links to his YouTube channel, showing 2 videos.
The first video, he woke up his sleeping girlfriend, and started slapping her. I realize its hard to tell acting from real violence, but it was very obvious that this was NOT acting. To make matters even "worse" (from a WoW standpoint), while he was assaulting her, he was referencing WoW. Something like "wake up you little Night Elf !@#$%".....ect.
His second video was filmed in a hospital parking garage, where he made the comment "My @#$%ing @#$%^ is inside, probably having a miscarriage", "o well, I didn't want the &*!@ing kid anyway" and said that "beating her ass was cheaper than having an abortion".
Mind you...both of these video's were not just linked, but spammed in trade chat, along with the same vile comments he was making in the video, and every other vile comment you can imagine.
He also invited people to report him, even saying he was "un-bannable". I not only reported him, I waited for a GM to contact me. I even called Blizzard. The guy NEVER was banned. He was in trade, doing the same thing, for more than a week.
This was more than I could just overlook. The interview he gave on the Today show gave his real name. His YouTube channel listed the city where he lived. I called the cops.
I don;t know what the end result was, but I was contacted by an investigator, and was told that he had been arrested, and charged with domestic violence with the video as evidence.
He also has noted on his YouTube channel that he was scheduled to appear on a daytime talk show. It wasn't anyone that I had heard of, but then again, I don't watch these kind of shows, so who knows if it was a big deal or not. But, anyway, I emailed them about the videos as well, and did receive a reply that "after viewing the disturbing content on his YouTube channel, they had decided to cancel his appearance" on their show.
Post by
ChairmanKaga
Honestly, the reason it takes so much for people to get banned is likely due to the fact that the person is bringing in money for the company.
Regardless, the primary reason people aren't just banned left and right for being abusive is that it would seriously eat away at their bottom line.
It's not always about the hard numbers. There is such a thing as a negative-value customer.
I know a good number of people that won't touch WoW because of the terrible reputation its community has. Losing $60 in order to hold on to $15 is not a winning strategy in the end, but I think WoW is simply big enough that it doesn't matter to them.
Post by
hymer
@ cephadex: People have their own nonliteral interpretation of the word 'literal'.
Post by
oldnewb
Recently in britain,we've had a spate of people being arrested by the police about racist comments that have been made on social networking sites.Making racial slurs is a criminal offence in this country(not sure what laws you have in the states).I wonder how long it will be before someone does report this kind of in-game behaviour to the real authorities and not just to blizzard.
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331902
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