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Holy pally a viable PvE dps spec
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Post by
blademeld
I suppose it is possible that Holy is viable, then again, your DPS just might not have known their mechanic well.
If Holy does turn out to be a competitive DPS spec at 85, it will be nerfed.
Post by
pezz
7500 competitive? I pull 10-12k in my Ret
off
spec. Holy DPS is not, nor will it ever be,
competitive
.
That said, picking up the slack with a little extra DPS as holy is not a terrible thing to do on a fight where adds need to be bursted down and (for parts of the fight) the healing is pretty light.
Post by
Synectics
7500 competitive? I pull 10-12k in my Ret offspec. Holy DPS is not, nor will it ever be, competitive.
True. It's
viable.
. And a well-played, well-geared Holy Paladin can out-DPS a badly played DPS spec. But I don't think it will ever surpass a DPS spec if gear and skill are relatively equal.
Especially as has been pointed out -- Exorcism doesn't scale very well with Spell Power. Meaning right now, we have quite a bit base damage, but when we hit 85, it's going to be a while before Exo catches up again.
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Bruunpala
Yesterday we were messing around in icc on some alts and i took my paladin i was healing but the ranged kept failing at killing the beasts. So we switched some ppl around and i switched some glyphs and gear and took a ranged position. I pulled about 7500dps with mostly just exorcism spam and holy shock. I would judge about every 50 seconds to make sure i kept the haste buff. With the 50% buff to exorcism with this patch i can see pulling more. So is it a competivite dps spec now
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Synectics
Yesterday we were messing around in icc on some alts and i took my paladin i was healing but the ranged kept failing at killing the beasts. So we switched some ppl around and i switched some glyphs and gear and took a ranged position. I pulled about 7500dps with mostly just exorcism spam and holy shock. I would judge about every 50 seconds to make sure i kept the haste buff. With the 50% buff to exorcism with this patch i can see pulling more. So is it a competivite dps spec now
You're not a special snowflake, you're a normal snowflake. Re-roll.
No you kthxbai.
Post by
Gortia
Lol not viable, but definitely fun. I pulled 8k post exorcism buff. In icc on heroic saurfang. Yay for holy pally dps in pvp.
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Post by
Arannia
And Avenging Wrath.
We have the bare bones for a "DPS" build, all that's needed is some numbers tweaking, some possible diversity in our rotation and possible balancing for PVP, though I'm not sure that's necessary either (our damage is primarily exorcism, which is casted, and thus, easily interrupted, or spell locked, both of which wrecks our healing too).
Exorcism spam + Holy Shock every 6 seconds, Holy Wrath on cooldown, and maintaining JotP is not engaging. Something like "Your Exorcism has a 15% chance to cause your next Judgement's damage to be increased by 500% if cast within 4 seconds. This effect can only occur every 30 seconds" would help, and would make judgement itself actually worthwhile to cast regardless of the buff it provides.
In terms of other changes, maybe a glyph that increases the mana cost of Holy Wrath by 200% (Making it very expensive for ret and prot), and gives the target of the effects a debuff that causes them to take damage equal to 100% of the initial damage over 15 seconds.
This gives us some AoE outside of Consecrate, which is rubbish, and Holy Wrath, which is nice, but not spammable. The above wouldn't fix the spammable, but would give us some constant AoE damage.
EDIT: Oh, and a Mastery.
Eh...
Divine Exorcism: Causes the targets of your exorcism
(to be slowed, and(?))
to take additional damage equal to X% of the damage caused over 10 seconds. (Rolling DoT). Mastery increases the amount of additional damage (and the duration/magnitude of the slow).
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Post by
Rocket485
I wouldn't have said it would be a competative DPS spec, purely because other DPS classes will be able to pull more DPS in raids.
As a previous poster said before, though, it will be nice for fights where things need to be bursted down. The exorcism damage was nice on LK10 last night when I was sent inside Frostmourne as the spirit was much easier to kill now that I can spam exorcism rather than having to worry about what spells are on cd and such.
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Post by
Squishalot
What kind of gear did you switch to? Exorcism scales much better with strength. I'm curious how someone stacking strength would do with Exorcism.
Somebody stacking strength would get a lot more damage from their exorcism spell, sure. But given the distinct lack of str/int gear in the game, somebody who stacked strength (say... a ret paladin?) would do more dps with exo spam, but also go OOM in about 10 seconds, and that's being generous and assuming they pop Divine Plea and have their judgments of the bold up.
This was my experience. The lack of a mana replenishment tool like Prot and Ret have is the big problem for a Holy Paladin in Str gear. DPS was up, damage done is down due to going OOM.
I don't reallly have a feel for end game on my pally since I'm still leveling it. However at lvl 58 I'm in about 1/2 str gear and 1/2 intellect gear and through seal of insight i can run EXO spam all day and my mana stays at max.
It should be noted that Seal of Insight gives you zero mana back when you're Exo spamming because you can't swing and cast at the same time. You're either overgearing the content (through heirlooms, enchants etc), or you're not exo spamming and thus gimping your potential DPS.
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Post by
pezz
15% mana. That's two Exos with Denounce, which means it's less than two Exos since Judgment costs mana.
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