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Post by
Adamsm
Uh, what do you think Eye of the Storm was? Blood Elves(kael's forces) against Draenei.
The Draenei have already forgiven the Orcs for the War on Draenor, read up on your lore instead of posting random useless info.
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Post by
Adamsm
Most of the draenei are probably still a little !@#$ed about the whole trying to wipe out their entire race down to the last woman and child thing.
And did the blood elves shoot the exodar out of the sky? I thought it was because they simply crash-landed.The Draenei listen to their leader; if he says no more conflict with the Orcs, they listen. Do some still hate them? Yes, but they won't pick fights.
The Elves sabotaged the engine, so when they attempted to 'planeshift' to escape, it blew up, causing the crash landing.
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Post by
Adamsm
None of the playable orcs or Thrall had anything to do with the massacre on Draenor.True.. but Saurfang, Drek'thar and the other old guards did.
Post by
Thundurmaul
Why doesn't Velen get down on his knees and beg Thrall for forgiveness for bringing the burning legion to Draenor, and all the death and destruction that came with it?
Unlike Thrall, who had nothing to do with the execution of the eredar (call them draenei if you like, they're still eredar) Velen is responsible for sitting on his hands while Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden turned most of his people into vile, power hungry demons.
Despite their space age technology, the so-called draenei settled on a populated planet, knowing full well that the legion would be looking for them. They selfishly settled somewhere knowing that the legion would leave a wake of doom when they finally found them.
The peaceful and shamanistic orcs never saw what was coming. Gul'dan was tricked by the legion that pursued the "draenei", and he unknowingly tricked the orcs into slavery and possession by demons. Without your beloved "draenei" coming to the orcish planet (seriously, they renamed the planet "Draenor", how vain is that?) the orcs never would have invaded Azeroth, and we wouldn't even be dealing with this war.
In addition, the fact that we have orcs that are sorry for what they did while they were being controlled by allies to your eredar brethren says something. Orcs are so noble a race that they feel bad for the actions of others, done through them.
EDIT: Edited for spelling.
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Adamsm
First off: What would you do if roughly 75% of your race was transformed because two of your best friends in the world turned on you? The Draenei(exiles) ran for 25 thousand years, forced to watch as hundreds of world fell because the Legion wouldn't give up. They thought Draenor was safe, and were only found out by pure chance.
Second: Get your orcs straight; Ner'zhul was tricked, Gul'dan was a power hungry little ^&*!ant who threw in with the Legion over his own people to get power. Gul'dan created the Shadow Council, who killed Thrall's parents, as well as helped wipe out roughly 80% of the draenei population on Draenor.
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(seriously, they renamed the planet "Draenor", how vain is that?) Exiles Refuge that's what it means in Ereudin, and it means World in Orcish..... strange ain't, as Saurfang named his son 'Draenosh' 'Heart of Draenor'..... guess the great hero had no problem with the Draenei name.
In addition, the fact that we have orcs that are sorry for what they did while they were being controlled by allies to your eredar brethren says something. Orcs are so noble a race that they feel bad for the actions of others, done through them.
Not Garrosh your next warchief, he though it was fine to kill Draenei children to keep them from growing up to take up arms against the Dark Horde.
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Thundurmaul
Get your orcs straight; Ner'zhul was tricked, Gul'dan was a power hungry little ^&*!ant who threw in with the Legion over his own people to get power. Gul'dan created the Shadow Council, who killed Thrall's parents, as well as helped wipe out roughly 80% of the draenei population on Draenor.
Whoops, slipped up on that one. Gul'dan was a bad dude, but so was Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden. There will always be bad apples, and sometimes those apples will be in positions of power.
Exiles Refuge that's what it means in Ereudin, and it means World in Orcish..... strange ain't, as Saurfang named his son 'Draenosh' 'Heart of Draenor'..... guess the great hero had no problem with the Draenei name.
"Exile's Refuge" in Eredun: "Draenor". The orcs did not have a name for the place, other than "world", but eventually adopted the Eredun term.
Adopted the term. We call our planet "Earth", meaning ground. It'd be pretty vain if some space aliens showed up and started calling our little piece of the universe "Alien-species-or". That the orcs took it up is baffling.
Not Garrosh your next warchief, he though it was fine to kill Draenei children to keep them from growing up to take up arms against the Dark Horde.
And he's another one of those bad apples. Now, Velen is pretty cool, but Orcs don't have the lifespan to find an eternal and loving leader. After the events that took place on the orcish homeworld, things have been shaken up quite a bit, and Thrall isn't really sure how or when he should step down.
Additionally, I think most of the player base doesn't like Garrosh, but then, I think if Grom wasn't the hero of legend that he is, most of us wouldn't like him all that much either. He made a huge sacrifice (if you can call it that, it was an honorable death for him), but he had a weak character, and took the blood a second time to get what he wanted.
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Adamsm
Gul'dan was a bad dude, but so was Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden. There will always be bad apples, and sometimes those apples will be in positions of power.Right... but how is that the fault of Velen?
Again though; Velen and the Naaru have forgiven the Orcs for what happened. They know it wasn't their fault, and they don't expect anyone to come to them for forgiveness after all. The Exiles had nothing to do with the 'Bad Apples' that showed up to corrupt their planet beyond being their enemies because Velen turned his back on Kil'jaeden... and hate to tell you this; but more Draenei died then Orcs during the Draenor wars.
When they came to Azeroth, and started attacking, that was all Gul'dan and the Shadow Council, as well as Medivh/Sargeras, so the first 2 wars had nothing to do with the Draenei.
Post by
Thundurmaul
The OP is suggesting that Thrall apologize for what he has done to the Draenei. I'm suggesting that if this is a reasonable course of action for Thrall, then Velen should apologize for the actions of his race as well.
Though Velen didn't directly do anything wrong, had he not decided that the orcish homeworld was a good pit stop, the orcs never would have had to deal with all that went down.
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Adamsm
Though Velen didn't directly do anything wrong, had he not decided that the orcish homeworld was a good pit stop, the orcs never would have had to deal with all that went down.
They didn't really 'decide', the ship they were in, Oshu'gun, crash landed onto Draenor, K'ure was damaged in the crash and unable to contact the rest of the Naaru to let them know that he and the Exiles were there. They only found them a few years before WoW, and after the invasion of Illidan and his cronies.
Post by
Rouen
This thread has led me to to realize something is, glaringly, missing from Outlands.
If the Titans are the creator of life and worlds in the physical plane, why are there no Titan artifacts, ruins, or other traces of their existence in the remnants of Draenor?
Post by
Braevia
This thread has led me to to realize something is, glaringly, missing from Outlands.
If the Titans are the creator of life and worlds in the physical plane, why are there no Titan artifacts, ruins, or other traces of their existence in the remnants of Draenor?
The Titans shaped Azeroth, not the whole physical plane. Azeroth was actually there before the Titans arrived, I believe. They then pacified the Old Gods, shaped Azeroth, built some kick-ass techno ruins, and bailed.
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Adamsm
This thread has led me to to realize something is, glaringly, missing from Outlands.
If the Titans are the creator of life and worlds in the physical plane, why are there no Titan artifacts, ruins, or other traces of their existence in the remnants of Draenor?
They were destroyed when the planet was ripped apart?
Post by
Orranis
Blood Elves shot the Exodar out of the sky, The Forsaken fight for everything The Light fights against.
Complete misinterpretation of the Shadow. The Shadow is very much like the Light, they both preach the same things, but in different ways. The Light preaches justice, the Shadow preaches vengeance. Are those really so different? The Light preaches compassion for all (Except seemingly, the Forsaken), but the Forsaken, who no longer feel that others have compassion for them, now preach compassion for themselves. It is much more complicated than Light = Good Shadow = Bad. The Scarlet Crusade, while undoubtably evil (For the sake of the argument. I believe they do evil things but I don't think they are 'evil' people. It's complicated.), can still wield the Light.
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451455
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Post by
Adamsm
Heh, nice, it got moved here from General.
And, I actually agree with him on that matter Face; I don't think the Forsaken have any place within the Army of the Light.
Post by
HiVolt
Heh, nice, it got moved here from General.
And, I actually agree with him on that matter Face; I don't think the Forsaken have any place within the Army of the Light.
Would you include Leonid Bartholomew in that?
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